12 February 2014

News Flash

News flash: Tony did not choose Journey
06/20/2007, 11:42 AM #

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First of all, let me say that i'm sorta stunned (and even a tad chagrined :-) that I'm still here. As someone just yesterday (raymundo, i think it was), "I think I'm finally 'out' and then something someone says pulls me back in again" ...
eh, oui... And actually, "all due respect" goes to Mattzollerrseitz cuz it's "new info" amid this amazingly Pinkertonian search ongoing which surfaced on his blog -- which i'll reference in a minute that suddenly makes my wheels churn again, afresh ... Was literary analysis back in English 204 ever this prolongedly engaging? ...
anyway... I write for the moment to point out that one of our collective lines of reasoning to date is based on a viewer assumption so kind of basic and also so blatantly wrong ...
Bottom line: Tony, definitively, did NOT choose Journey as his jukebox selection. Someone else in the restaurant [well, besides Chase, of course] had chosen it before his choice (I even think at the time of the episode I assumed that and then, myself, forgot that in the hubbub over the choice of "Don't Stop Believin'" ... To me at the time, I think I assumed it started too soon after the end of Little Feat's song and too soon after T popped in his coins to seem like his choice was already "up" but then I conveniently forgot that immediate impression amid all the post-hoc analysis...
What brought me back to it was the following post on matt's blog by someone named beale, which i just read this morning:
Beale said...
To add a probably worthless piece to the puzzle-solving aspect of this, I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that "Don't Stop Believing" is *not* the song Tony picked. It's K5 on the juke, and while Tony's hand obscures the exact number he pushes after K, it's clearly something lower than 5. More likely he would have picked one of the last two songs he looked at, either "I've Gotta be Me" or "A Lonely Place," the selection codes of which are not visible.
Either one of those titles would be fitting for Tony's state of mind at the time in completely different ways, but I kind of like the idea of him picking "A Lonely Place," with the jukebox responding with its answer in a kind of cosmic musical dialogue.
WELL. That made me think. I, as usual (but not always), decided to not take this as gospel either and checked it out myself.
Sure enough, T absolutely pushes the farthest button to the right on the top row -- meaning the 10th and last page of the juke box list (page "K" - tabletop juke boxes skip the letter "I" so the 10th page is "K").
It's not clear what button he chooses for song # on the bottom row, as beale notes, but it does seem to be a lower # than 5, more like about 3, maybe 4 at the highest.
What we see for sure - and what beale also has wrong -- is that the Journey songs are NOT on the last page and thus cannot be K5 or another other "K" page songs. Tony previously, in one sustained shot focused on the jukebox, flipped backwards from the page with "This Magic Moment" to where Journey's two songs were on a previous right-side page, meaning that the letter to choose for the Journey songs would, at the highest, be "H," i.e., the third button from the right on the top row, not "K."
[I know, isn't this micro of an analysis a tad silly? I can't believe I'm putting my Ph.D. to this good use :-)! but here I am ... whole-hog into it ...
And, ohhh, the tribute to Chase (what a storyteller and clever-as-a-fox filmmaker!), speaking now more broadly about the episode, that he could have pulled off a finale which, 10 days later, people are still debating the meanings of and unearthing new 'facts' about! Has this EVER happened before? Not on TV, I dare say... ]
Finally, back to what beale does again have right, is that Tony indeed stops his song search - the last we see - on the two Tony Bennett songs, which the camera gives us NO indication for as to what page they are on, cutting back to them from a Tony-POV-shot to the door, which at least allows the possibility that they are on the last page, K, unlike the Journey songs which cannot be on page K.
And, as beale notes, it makes total sense that any song selector keeps the page up - last page turned to - while making selection, always cautious as song-choosers are, to make sure they're pushing the right buttons...
Therefore, we are left with Tony in fact choosing definitely NOT Journey and probably either of the two Tony Bennett songs last in his focus that we know of -- I've Gotta Be Me or A Lonely Place (which look to be #s 3 and 4 on the page)
It's someone else in the restaurant [ahem - Chase] who has chosen "Don't Stop Believin'" that just "happens" to come on as Carmela is entering and indeed then presumably evokes for them the echoes of their early family-founding years together which you talk about, raimundo, but NOT because Tony himself chose it. That should be factored in (or out) of the equation.
Why would Chase have done this? Have Tony choose a song that in fact we never hear?
Well, for the answer to THAT piece of the puzzle, i am forced (eek) to quote from none other than Fox News, where I found the following background tidbit:
Tony Soprano Finally Beats Tony Bennett
For years, Tony Bennett refused to allow his songs in “The Sopranos.” Did you know that? Tony’s manager son Danny Bennett tells me that every season, David Chase’s office would call to ask permission for a Bennett recording.
“And we always turned them down,” Danny says. “My dad felt that the show was demeaning to Italians.”
A couple of times, Chase worked in references to Tony Bennett, Danny recalled with a smile. “When Tony was shot, Carmela brought him Tony’s box set in the hospital. She said, 'These are his favorite songs.'"
But the songs were not heard.
And then, in Sunday night’s finale, a permanent impression of Tony Bennett: Tony Soprano flips through the juke box on the diner table, and finds a single: “I’ve Gotta Be Me,” backed with “A Lonely Place.” It was released in 1969.
“It was a real single,” Danny Bennett says. Indeed, there’s a long lingering close-up. But Tony couldn’t pick either one, Danny says, and Chase knew it. Danny Bennett has a theory. “David Chase put those there, but since he couldn’t have either song, he knew Tony couldn’t choose them.”
The other choice Tony Soprano lingers on is Heart’s record, “Magic Man.” But Danny points out, “It was “Magic Man (Live). The ‘live’ part is important. And he didn’t choose that one either.”
Of course, Soprano picked Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believing.” And six days after a TV show went off the air, we are still talking about it. I am surprised that so many people didn’t understand that when a TV show or movie cuts to black, and there’s silence, death is indicated. That’s it. This is one of the oldest conventions of filmed drama. The Sopranos, I must tell you, are gone. They are not coming back, except in syndication.
Note that Fox also got it wrong in claiming that "Soprano picked Journey..."
But if the point that Tony Bennett would not allow his songs on the show reveals yet again just how clever Chase is. He gets in the 'fact' of Tony's love of Tony Bennett''s songs by having Tony choose, as the final music "choice" of the entire series, one of two Tony Bennett hits from 1969, when Tony S would have been 10 yrs old, but we never actually hear them, cuz some other patron's music choice comes up before T's and we "blackout" prior to whichever choice it was that T made ...
I couldn't find lyrics to "A Lonely Place" on the web but here, for reference, are the ones to what seems to be have "K3" on the jukebox and likely the one T chose, which thereby would also seem to warrant some reflection (as to Chase's final message re Tony) alongside the fact that we definitely have to stop saying that Tony "chose" the music Don't Stop Believin'. While Chase chose that music, Tony did not...
...as copied from a Sammy Davis Jr. lyrics website (he having made the song popular some years before Tony Bennett's cover of it):
I've Gotta Be Me Lyrics by: Chart Activity (?)
Whether I'm right or whether I'm wrong Whether I find a place in this world Or never belong
I gotta be me, I've gotta be me What else can I be but what I am
I want to live, not merely survive And I won't give up this dream of life That keeps me alive
I gotta be me, I gotta be me The dream that I see Makes me what I am
That faraway prize, a world of success Is waiting for me if I heed the call I won't settle down, won't settle for less As long as there's a chance That I can have it all
I'll go it alone, that's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else If I'm not right for me
I gotta be free, I've gotta be free Daring to try, to do it or die I've gotta be me
I'll go it alone, that's how it must be I can't be right for somebody else If I'm not right for me
I gotta be free, I've just gotta be free Daring to try, to do it or die I gotta be me

27 September 2011

Penultimate Notes

Penultimate Notes
by Schadenfreude
09/27/2011, 11:00 AM #

1.Of all of the many internet "don'ts", "Invite your stalker to dinner" is very, very near the top.
2.Why do all of our local conspiracy theorists think the Plotz posts are a hoax? It seems to draw a stark line between those who are reality-challenged and...well...normal people.
3.Good to see some old posters coming back for the final show, some of them anonymously. Sorry we didn't have a better show for you guys. Yes, this really is what we've been doing for the last seven years.
4.There is a 4, but it's a deep, dark secret.
5.There is, however, no 5.
6.For those of you looking to recreate the Fray experience on some other board: it ain't gonna happen.
7.The moving finger, having writ, moves on...

This might be a record.

Holy Shit. I'd forgotten about that this post till someone bumbed it back into my mbtu list.Over 8,600 views, 558 responses (not counting the scores of posts Laurie deleted once she sobered up). [click to see full size]

I think I have much of the thread (including many of the posts that LAM deleted) saved to file. If anyone wishes to see any of it, I can email it. It would be insane to try and put the entire thread here.

Jeremy Stahl

While I'm pretty sure Slate's okay with me archiving Fray posts to this blog, I'm not clear about copyrighted articles written for Slate, itself. Here is a link to Jeremy Stahl's pieces at Slate.

31 August 2011

Rim Shot!

relief for Texas
by last days
08/31/2011, 3:27 PM #

I have started praying for a weather system to dump a ton of rain on Texas...

this looks promising

they say that growing water mass has a 30% chance of becoming a tropical storm, which would then move westward and it is in just the right latitude to hit Texas.

JackDallas didn't notice but I promised him a tropical storm sized weather system of rain within 30 days. Rick Perry has been holding pray-ins for rain all year and getting snubbed by God harder than by the president. But when a real prophet promises rain, we deliver. Like when Elijah called for rain after 42 months of drought.

By the way, there is no rain for the entire 42 month testimony of the two witnesses.

Relief for Texas
by Piss Off
08/31/2011, 4:31 PM #

I prayed for a golden shower but all we got was acid rain.

Back From The Edge

Back From The Edge
by Ensley Hill
08/29/2011, 8:20 PM #

Sometimes not knowing what the future holds is a bit of luck in itself. If I had known just over 4 months ago that diabetes, a heart attack, and a blod clot would have taken off both of my legs just below the knees and almost cost me my life, I would have been much more despondent and much less cheerful and optimistic than I now am.

When the doctor told me that in his opinion saving my legs would be impossible and that he was at present trying to save my life. "Let's do it, then," I replied; what else was there to say? It certainly wasn't welcome news, by any stretch but really, at that point I was pretty depressed, and in pain, and I was thinking, "What difference does it make, my life is over anyhow." For the first few weeks many people, including me, had doubts about whether I would live, and at that point I didn't even really care.

For the first 3 weeks or so I was receiving a shot of morphine every 3 hours and sometimes arguing for more. I had never experienced such pain nor for so long. The drgs caused occasional halicinations and weird dreams. But shortly thereafter my body kicked in and fought back, beginning to become actively involved in the healing process in a way I could feel and appreciate and the care and medicine added to that to greatly slacken the frequency and severity of the pain and speed up the healing and stregthening process. My mood and comfort dramaticly improved and I was quickly advanced to rehab in Halifax and trained to become proficient with the wheelchair, to the point where I now live alone in my new wheelchair-accessible place in privacy and confidence although the medical and home care people still check on me to monitor my general health and transitional progress.

Some friends, relatives, and health care professionals have made serveral comments throughout my healing and readjustment process about my courage, and good spirits and attitudes, etc, and I certainly appreciate the compliments, but really I was just accepting what I could not change, trying to keep the suffering and dispair to myself as much as possible, and then when the pain abated, little by little, and my healing and strength improved, I was really in good spirit and feeling upbeat, realizing my luck in being alive, relatively healthy and able to enjoy my life and life independently with few discomforts apart from havinf no legs and being confined to a wheechair. I have a decent place to live, an electric wheelchair and a hi-speed internet connection. I sometimes tell people that most times now I don't feel handicapped, I feel privileged. So many people in the world, even healthy people, are not nearly so lucky or so comfortable.

And now that I've finished making homemade bread and homemade soup and am settled at the computer here to whine and dine, indulge me a bit further while I count my blessings. Thank my lucky stars that I live in a fabulous country, Canada, with an awesome universal healthcare program filled throughout with professional, compasionate people from the abulance attendants (paramedics) to the doctors annd nurses, to the interns and student nurses. These wonderful people were amazingly helpful patient and supportive throughout my 4+ months in the hospital. I think that a civilized society is measured by its treatment and respect for all its citizens and that Canada is the champion by leaps and bounds. I realized the cash-crunch problem and the need to pay for the social net and administer it prudently and efficiently but our system is 2 notches above great and I hope we can save it and keep it sustainable.

Of equal importance and relevance to me, is the value, loyalty, and compassion of my friends and family. I had lots of visitors throughout my stay and they continue to do so even now. This is also true of my online, specifically Fray, friends, whose emotional and material support was so unexpected and heartwarming that it actually brought me to tears, and I'm not one easily moved to tears (a weakness prrhaps, I'm not bragging about it). I could say more about those Fray friends but they wish to keep the matter private and I respect their wishes. My family ans lifelong friends continuously exceeded my high opinions of them and were a bastion of strong support. I am exceedingly blessed in the quality of my friends and family, beyond anything I can verbally express. They were my tower of power in times of trouble. I have better friends and family than I deserve. I feel sorry for those who don't.

So, as for me, I am doing well and feeling fine. I'm a stronger and more grateful man than that guy who went to the hospital in an ambulance some 4 months ago. I hope all is well with you and yours.

09 August 2011

Since I Found The Fray

Since I Found The Fray
by Schadenfreude
08/08/2011, 11:10 AM #

1.I have lived in three different countries.
2.I have changed jobs six times and been fired twice
3.I have tripled my income*
4.I have had a shot at winning $2 million (not much of one)
5.My kids have gone from diapers to teenagaers
6.I have changed my mind on several things (gay marriage for one)
7.I have made more enemies than friends

* Apparently, the key to success is to ignore work.

Since I Found The Fray
by Archaeopteryx
08/08/2011, 11:49 AM #

1. I finished graduate school.

2. Found my job, received tenure, published 6 papers.

3. Actually began earning an income.

4. I had a shot at winning 210 million dollars, but some asshole at a convenience store in Ohio bought the winning ticket.

5. My marriage managed to survive, but it was touch-and-go for a while. This was unrelated to the Fray...I think.

6. I have changed my mind on several things because of things I've read on the Fray--thanks to TK, ZB, DC, TG, Hipparchia, Daveto, Ghost, and others. I've thought about things in ways I never would have, thanks to those named, plus Inkberrow, Schmutzie, Catnapping, Schad, Ender, Keifus, John McG, and countless others. I've lost faith in humanity after reading posts by...well, you know...

7. I have made more friends than enemies, if you can count people you've never laid eyes on as "friends."

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by Schmutzie
08/08/2011, 12:23 PM #

Same apartment, same job, no jackpot, no kids, I changed my mind on capital punishment, Way more friends than enemies. I posted once from the parking lot near Mather Point on the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, and twice from a hotel in Joplin, MO.

A BotF post you made triggered the Geezer Experiment.

Since I Found The Fray
by skitch
08/08/2011, 12:25 PM #

1. I've put on a few more pounds than I'd like.
2. My feet hurt more.

Since I Met You Baby, or Since I Fell For You?
by Inkberrow
08/08/2011, 1:15 PM #

Take that as meaning the Fray or yourself, Schad, as you prefer.

1. I've lived in one country, but set foot in eight

2. I've had the same job

3. I've doubled my income

4. No prospects of a windfall

5. I've gone from boxers to diapers

6. I've changed my mind on several thing (Al Jazeera for one)

7. I don't know if I've made more enemies than friends

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by RonB52
08/08/2011, 1:43 PM #

1. I've lived in the same townhouse.

2. I have the same day job.

3. I added a second teaching job and turned down a third.

4. I won the "Whad'ya Know" quiz.

5. My kids have become vegetarians.

6. I have become in general less homophobic.

7. I have had more friends than enemas.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by DrNo
08/08/2011, 2:01 PM #

1: My son got cancer

2: My son underwent multiple sugeries, chemo and radiation treatments.

3: My son has been cancer-free for two years.

4: Nothing else matters.

Since I Found The Fray
by daveto
08/08/2011, 2:19 PM #

I once lived in the same town as Schadenfreude. (I didn't fire or hire him -- knowingly.)

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by yastfort
08/08/2011, 2:25 PM #

I'm happily married

I'm a better cook

My teeth are whiter

My c___'s bigger

Since I Found The Fray
by greeneggsnham
08/08/2011, 8:06 PM #

I've had my fingerprints altered several times.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by TenaciousK
08/08/2011, 11:09 PM #

1. I have lived in five different houses.
2. I have changed jobs twice.
3. I quadrupled my income, then halved it.
4. One of my parents died.
5. I have gotten divorced and remarried.
6. I have successfully navigated US immigration.
7. One child went from middle school to college, the other from elementary school to senior HS year.
8. I've changed my mind about many things.
9. I've learned some important things about myself.
10. I've made many friends, and lost a few, and switched from dogs to cats.
11. I quit smoking. Twice. And it's stuck.
12. I'm very happy.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by meridiantoo
08/09/2011, 12:56 PM #

- I have lived in two houses
- I have changed jobs once
- I have shared God's Holy word in Zambia, Zinbabwe, South Africa, China, Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras and six states in the USA.
- I have seen both of my sons impress me in ways I never thought would happen.
- I have thanked the Lord for my Wife (MHNBPF) thousands of times.
- I have received an artificial heart valve, two stints, two bypasses, a loop recorder and pacemaker.
- I have purchased one new truck
- I have stood less that twenty feet from a live rhino in the brush of Africa with nothing between me and him, except open air. I have scaled mountains swam in rivers with crocodiles and hippos and looked across a hundred thousand acres of wilderness.
- I have repared my Husqvarna more times than I can count.
- I have made more friends around the world than are countable. And a few here.

- Oh, I built a barn - a pretty good barn

Since I found the Fray,
by Fritz Gerlich
08/09/2011, 1:16 PM #

I've kept it in a sealed compartment. It has nothing else to do with the rest of my life. This is true not only physically and socially but emotionally. I've never assumed any of you is anything but pixels on a screen. It's like a go game--you put down your pixels, I put down mine. Over time, patterns are formed. There's a certain pleasure in it. But at the end of the day, we pack up the game and go home.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by Keifus
08/10/2011, 6:26 PM #

1.I haven't even left the country.
2.The same crappy job got worse, better, and then absolutely horrible.
3.I've increased my income by almost 12%.
4.The journey from diapers to teenagers happened to my kids too. Well, one of them so far.
5.I stayed saner (and slightly more sober) than expected for all those years while I stayed up by myself.
6.Made a couple dozen friends I've never met. (Want a hug, Schad? I'll have to spell it with parentheses.) I found a point to Facebook.
7.I've watched the place die three or four times, and then get weakly resurrected, like a crappy photocopy of itself.
8.I've become a completely different person. Who is somehow more like myself.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by newrundeep
08/11/2011, 8:04 AM #

1. Same country, same city, same house. 2. Third job. 3. Income has gone way up and way down and will be about 1.5 times where it was when I started here. 4. Kid went from elementary school to high school. 5. I made a few genuine friends, discovered that people I thought I liked were not all friends, and discovered I really genuinely disliked a number of others. 6. Marriage survived. 7. I too have changed my mind about a lot of things. To my shock, I'm getting more liberal as I conclude that the Tea Party is an incipient fascist movement and I truly believe we could see unrest near the scale of the French Revolution as the class wars escalate. 8. I don't make enemies, I just allow people to fall into the darkness where they dare not speak to me. 9. Mom got cancer, I've been the caretaker. Surgery, chemo, and now radiation. It's a frigging haul, let me tell you. 10. I've seriously improved my tennis.

my stomach aches today.
by Snolly G
08/11/2011, 9:14 AM #

since i found the fray,

1.i have lived in one country
2.i have not changed jobs
3.i have multiplied my income by -3.0
4.i have had a miniscule shot at winning some hundred million dollars
5.the twinkle in my eye now has mass
6.i have changed my mind on several things (gays, for one)
7.i have made more friends than enemies

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by dumb_blonde
08/11/2011, 9:18 AM #

1. Both kids graduated & we became empty nesters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. One kid married

3. Two grandkids born.

4. Bought a house, planted a bunch of trees in the yards & now they are HUGE.

5. My income has stayed about the same, health insurance pretty much cancels out the raises I've received. Hubby's income has at least doubled.

6. Gone through several severe health issues with family members

7. Got my own motorcycle

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by Ted Burke
08/12/2011, 11:39 AM #

1.Sober for 24 years.

2. 24 years beyond my life expectancy.

3. Have had my poems published in various small magazines.

4.Was laid off by a management company because they were in financial trouble.

5. Was rehired for the same job when the business owners fired the management company and offered me my job back.

6.Appreciate the wealth of friends and family in my life.

7. Write better than I ever have.

8. Still a jerk

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by SouthernGal
08/15/2011, 1:37 AM #

1. I've lived in only one country but that could change [see # 4]
2. I had a stroke and could no longer work
3. My income is nonexistent
4. I have a chance at winning untold millions every Tue. and Fri,
5. My kids have grown into adulthood and I could not be happier or prouder
6. I've continued to have an open mind about most things
7. I've made enemies and some good friends and one very good friend
8. I realized certain posters would always ignore me but I learned to live with it
9. I had no idea pixels on a screen could make me cry or laugh out loud
10. I learned not to let pixels on a screen make me cry [with exceptions]

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by NickD
08/15/2011, 9:51 PM #

1. I have refinanced my home, twice, to help pay expenses and provide quality of life for disabled and dying family members.

2. I have lost my mother.

3. I have lost my brother.

4. I lost the woman I loved.

5. I lost my sister in law.

6. I lost my best friend.

7. I suffered a minor stroke.

8. I gained about 20 pounds.

9. I almost think I can't wait for the fray to go away.


I have become un-afraid to write. And I now realize just how badly I detest the right wing and the extremes of the left. I have learned that intellegence does not always denote ability, nor does it always equal empiricle knowledge, and that there are no prospects for fixing stupid. I quit smoking and stayed quit.

One obviously cannot blame the Fray for the physical things that happen in the world, but I can give this place at least partial credit for my newly rediscovered desire to write. Should this place still be alive when I get published I am going dedicate my first book to this place and to my deceased family members but not in that order.

Note to Schad: If you are true to yourself and what you believe, if you are honest in your dealings with people you will always have enemys. There was a book written during the early eighties or late seventies called Winning Through Intimidation. I haven't seen my copy in about twenty years but the author broke people down into three basic groups with sub groups. While he got somethings wrong he was basically accurate in his description of the three major catagories. We all pretty much fall into one of them.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by SamIamNot
08/17/2011, 4:41 PM #

1. I have maintained a very low key on the few boards I read. I am guessing DB and LI (if he is still here) are the only ones here who remember me from more than a year or so ago.
2. I have remained married to the same woman
3. I have watched my kids grow up to be very nice young adults and start college
4. I have lived in the same house
5. I have worked at the same company but have switched jobs a few times.
6. I have only left the country once to go to Isreal which I would never have thought was a likely place to visit
7. I have visited many places in the US. Some while on business others on persnal travel
8. I have stayed above (mostly) the squabbles on the Fray (see #1)
9. Have had my opinions swayed here an there by those on the fray
10. Have never met anyone face-to-face from the fray but know a few by their real names

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by adorablepuppyofwar
08/28/2011, 9:03 PM #

1. a loved one committed suicide [and i didn't even see it coming]

2. a loved one died of cancer [and i was glad when the end finally came]

3. the cat who was my soulmate and defender-from-burglars got old and died [i still miss him]

4. the dog who was my jogging partner [and soulmate] got old and is lingering at death's doorstep

5. i accidentally adopted 11 more cats and suddenly became a crazy cat lady

6. i really would have turned into a crazy, 'you kids get off my lawn' kind of hermit if i hadn't met a bunch of interesting and engaging and [sometimes] sane people on the internet, starting with the fray and extending to blogs and twitter and even into rl. many thanks to all y'all [and that includes you, schad].

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by Luo_Yi
08/29/2011, 2:59 AM #
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At the risk of appearing to copy your points verbatum...

1.I have lived in three different countries
2.I have changed jobs 7 times and been retrenched once
3.I have quadrupled my income (must consider taxes in this figure)
4.I have met/married a great lady who "cured me of my wickedness"
5.I have had my opinion changed several times
6.I have learned some very valuable lessons (mostly investment/economic)
7.I have followed the lives of many people who I would be happy to know IRL. (I was going to say chatted with many people, but I mostly lurk on slate now rather than posting/exchanging)

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by catnapping
08/29/2011, 3:35 PM #

1. I have lost my husband.
2. I have lost all my hair, and grown it back again.
3. I have gained 40 pounds, lost 60, and then gained 4.
4. I have taught myself to draw little birds.
5. I have dabbled in poetry and prose.
6. I have learned how to write HTML only after CSS became the accepted language.
7. I have learned to walk with a walker, and then learned to walk without one again.
8. I have formed a friendship every bit as strong as any I'd ever formed in the meat world. (I love you, SouthernGal.)
9. I have gotten crushes on 5 different men on the fray, some of them married, one of them gay. But I don't care - my heart beats faster just reading their names.

Re: Since I Found The Fray
by Rat
09/02/2011, 11:53 PM #

1. George Bush was elected president by the Supreme Court
2. George Bush re-started my career in writing song parodies
3. My father died
4. I celebrated 10 of my 34 wedding anniversaries
5. I met a few Fraysters
6. I bought a house
7. There is no 11